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#16891 - 12/06/07 07:57 AM Is Hevi-Shot Dead Coyote Legal?
Duck Dogs
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Is it legal to hunt coyotes and other furbearers with Hevi-Shot Dead Coyote which has T sized pellets in it? The Furbearer section states that you can use any legal firearm. However in the General Hunting Regulations it states that you cant use anything larger than BB for any wildlife besides waterfowl. It does not call out game animals as some of the requirments do. So this leads me to believe that you can not hunt furbearers with Hevi-Shot Dead Coyote.


Legal Means of Taking (Furbearers Section)

Firearms or Archery

Daylight only: Any legal firearm or archery equipment.


Shotgun Pellet Size (General Hunting Regulations)

No person in the field may possess or attempt to harvest any wildlife, except waterfowl and crane, with a shotgun using shot larger than conventional BB (.180 in. dia.).



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#16894 - 12/06/07 09:01 AM Re: Is Hevi-Shot Dead Coyote Legal? [Re: ]
Kelly Jackson Offline
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Loc: Comanche Ok USA
BB is the biggest size you can use in Oklahoma.
I have been using Remington HD B's with good sucess. I just picked up a couple of boxes of thier HD BB's I expect they will do well also.
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#16901 - 12/06/07 10:17 AM Re: Is Hevi-Shot Dead Coyote Legal? [Re: Kelly Jackson]
J. Holly Offline
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Loc: Stillwater, Ok.
Letter of the law, it isn't legal. I would get with your particular warden in the area that you are hunting or planning to hunt and ask them.

Some say as long as you are hunting coyotes or cats, some say not at all. It really depends. BTW, the early made Dead Coyote used BB instead of "T". I am working hard on getting those restrictions eased up.
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#16915 - 12/06/07 12:04 PM Re: Is Hevi-Shot Dead Coyote Legal? [Re: J. Holly]
Kelly Jackson Offline
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hows that coming Jeff?
#4 buck works great and is alot cheaper....
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#16939 - 12/06/07 07:24 PM Re: Is Hevi-Shot Dead Coyote Legal? [Re: Kelly Jackson]
BellyFlopper Offline
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Loc: Greenwood, Arkansas
and here is Arkansas where they have actually built specific coyote seasons and are not year round like some, and last year they even put a daily limit on them and just a few years back they actually had a firearm restriction to no larger than 25 caliber and yet even they will let you hunt with the Dead Coyote rounds ....

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#16943 - 12/06/07 07:50 PM Re: Is Hevi-Shot Dead Coyote Legal? [Re: BellyFlopper]
Coffee437 Offline
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No larger than 25 cal??? What are they afraid of,,, that you'll mess them up too bad to sell lmao
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#16945 - 12/06/07 07:57 PM Re: Is Hevi-Shot Dead Coyote Legal? [Re: Coffee437]
BellyFlopper Offline
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Loc: Greenwood, Arkansas
They have now moved it up to no larger than 30 caliber .....
last year they put a two coyote per day limit on them. So a feller gets to hunt about an hour a day. I have no idea what they are thinking.

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#16948 - 12/06/07 08:13 PM Re: Is Hevi-Shot Dead Coyote Legal? [Re: BellyFlopper]
Coffee437 Offline
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Well it musta been someones aunts nephews double cousins sisters brothers grandmas sons that made it up,,,, well it is Arkansas,, you get the picture rofl
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#16957 - 12/06/07 10:13 PM Re: Is Hevi-Shot Dead Coyote Legal? [Re: Coffee437]
JERRYBLANKENSHIP
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I'm not too fond of Arkansas' hunting regs either. I really think it should be legal to hunt predators at night. I think its legal in Texas. Gee they all pretty much nocturnal. Its fun to hunt coons at night. Of course you have to have dogs. Does anybody run coyotes with dogs?


Edited by J. Holly (12/07/07 07:04 AM)
Edit Reason: for all caps

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#16965 - 12/06/07 11:07 PM Re: Is Hevi-Shot Dead Coyote Legal? [Re: ]
warden611 Offline
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Registered: 03/05/07
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Loc: OK
Like the guys said...BB is the largest you can use except for waterfowl and cranes.

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#16970 - 12/07/07 07:05 AM Re: Is Hevi-Shot Dead Coyote Legal? [Re: warden611]
J. Holly Offline
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Loc: Stillwater, Ok.
The effort is going good, but not as well as certain other things we are trying to do.

Coffee's rep is being good to us!!!!
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#16971 - 12/07/07 07:49 AM Re: Is Hevi-Shot Dead Coyote Legal? [Re: J. Holly]
Duck Dogs
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What is the reasoning behind not allowing T shot? The difference in the diameter of the shot between BB and T is approximately two hundredths of an inch. I canít think of a logical reason to not allow T shot, pelt damage is the only thing I can think of and I donít think you could notice a difference when the diameter of the shot is so close.

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#16974 - 12/07/07 09:06 AM Re: Is Hevi-Shot Dead Coyote Legal? [Re: ]
Kelly Jackson Offline
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I am going to make a guess................I think the shot size restriction has to do with the fear of deer being shot......

If I am incorrect please enlighten me Warden.

I feel this reg is outdated on so many levels.

Rules, laws and regulations only apply to folks trying to do it right.

The poacher doesn't care if it is in season, what gun or what shot size, night or day - they are going to do what they are going to do.

Where is that soap box - no wait I am done for now....
Catch you later and everyone have a good weekend. Better hunt Saturday and lay up on Sunday with the weather that headed this way.
Kelly
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#16975 - 12/07/07 09:16 AM Re: Is Hevi-Shot Dead Coyote Legal? [Re: Kelly Jackson]
J. Holly Offline
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Loc: Stillwater, Ok.
I agree with Kelly.
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#16984 - 12/07/07 10:20 AM Re: Is Hevi-Shot Dead Coyote Legal? [Re: J. Holly]
Coffee437 Offline
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Loc: McAlester
Originally Posted By: J. Holly
The effort is going good, but not as well as certain other things we are trying to do.

Coffee's rep is being good to us!!!!


Would that be my reputation or my representative??? rofl
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#17004 - 12/07/07 12:48 PM Re: Is Hevi-Shot Dead Coyote Legal? [Re: Coffee437]
J. Holly Offline
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Loc: Stillwater, Ok.
your representative!!!!
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#17006 - 12/07/07 01:00 PM Re: Is Hevi-Shot Dead Coyote Legal? [Re: J. Holly]
Coffee437 Offline
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I liked thinking of it the other way better lmao :P
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#17084 - 12/08/07 07:28 PM Re: Is Hevi-Shot Dead Coyote Legal? [Re: Coffee437]
PG48 Offline
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Loc: Yale
Here is another side to this Warden correct me if I am wrong. This BB size law was probably in effect before T shot came along.

Also you know how hard it is to change a law once it is in effect almost impossible at times.


LS
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#17095 - 12/08/07 08:12 PM Re: Is Hevi-Shot Dead Coyote Legal? [Re: PG48]
warden611 Offline
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Registered: 03/05/07
Posts: 764
Loc: OK
You may be right Leonard. Not sure when T shot came along.

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#17182 - 12/09/07 04:13 PM Re: Is Hevi-Shot Dead Coyote Legal? [Re: warden611]
Ozark Charlie
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I don't post much, but I have fought this battle in Arkansas for so long that I have combat fatigue. As one Game & Fish Supervisor told me, he considers all coyote hunters to be using that as a ruse for poaching deer. On wildlife management areas Arkansas restricts predator hunters to rimfire rifles only. So the 30 cal rule applies ONLY to private land. Shotgun hunters are now allowed to use T shot, but before this year we were resticted to #4 birdshot as the largest we can use.
Now the last battle I fought and lost was to change the fee structure. If any of who who are wanting to come to Arkansas and hunt predators for 3 days prepare to fork out $225.
Yep, $100 for a 3 day all game license and $125 for a Nonresident fur taker permit.
Maybe someday enough Ark hunters will get after the Game & Fish Commission to get these things changed. Once a Game Warden Captain told me, duck hunters got clout, deer hunter got clout, turkey hunters got clot, but predator hunters, you ain' got none, so get over it.

Ozark Charlie

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#17184 - 12/09/07 04:51 PM Re: Is Hevi-Shot Dead Coyote Legal? [Re: ]
BellyFlopper Offline
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Registered: 12/04/07
Posts: 1022
Loc: Greenwood, Arkansas
I guess that they don't realize that we are also deer hunters, duck hunters, turkey hunters AND predator hunters. I know for a fact that when I have been stopped and challenged I am first treated like a poacher. It doesn't take them too long to realize that I am the real deal and am really an avid predator hunter, but their first reaction to you is that you must be shooting deer or turkey. You can tell that by the way they structure the seasons too. They make sure that there are no season open near to the turkey season. The fee structure is also a bad deal for anybody wishing to come in from out of state as is shown above. I generally will take those people who come in from out of state to hunt with me into Oklahoma where they seem to like predator hunters more. And if they don't listen well to a State Trooper then they surely ain't gonna listen to anybody else.

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#17192 - 12/09/07 07:30 PM Re: Is Hevi-Shot Dead Coyote Legal? [Re: BellyFlopper]
J. Holly Offline
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Registered: 02/28/07
Posts: 4539
Loc: Stillwater, Ok.
We are working on a 5 day coyote permit modeled after the rattlesnake one. We are working on shot size, and also hunting at night.
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#56402 - 03/26/10 09:21 PM Re: Is Hevi-Shot Dead Coyote Legal? [Re: BellyFlopper]
Joe_B Offline
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Registered: 03/26/10
Posts: 54
Loc: NW AR/NE OK
Originally Posted By: BellyFlopper
They have now moved it up to no larger than 30 caliber .....
last year they put a two coyote per day limit on them. So a feller gets to hunt about an hour a day. I have no idea what they are thinking.
The 2009-10 Arkansas regs plainly state "No limit on coyotes". ????

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#56403 - 03/26/10 09:50 PM Re: Is Hevi-Shot Dead Coyote Legal? [Re: Joe_B]
LEFTY Offline
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Registered: 02/03/10
Posts: 187
Loc: Choctaw,Oklahoma
with all those other regulations, they probably have a bumper crop of coyotes these days.

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#56408 - 03/27/10 09:28 AM Re: Is Hevi-Shot Dead Coyote Legal? [Re: J. Holly]
TOM Offline
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Posts: 2698
Loc: Okie land
Originally Posted By: J. Holly
We are working on a 5 day coyote permit modeled after the rattlesnake one. We are working on shot size, and also hunting at night.


Any work still being done?

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